Thank you, Commissioner. I'm going to toss it to my colleagues. I know, um, some of them have to go. Council Member Stevens. Hi, good afternoon. Um, I have a couple of questions I'm going to ask, but I just wanted to just make a couple of statements even around some of the testimony, even around like the CASA designations and things like that.
It's always really frustrating because we only get 15 CASAs. I have 55 schools in my district. So even when that's like kind of listed as something that you guys are doing in collaboration with the council. It's very frustrating because we have to do the CASAs because it is— arts is not a priority in a lot of our schools, and especially our smaller schools, right?
I have 55 schools because a lot of my schools were cut up and they're smaller schools. And so I think even in that whole analysis and talking about what is the pathway for pre-K to 12, that's not here. And I think that that has not been a priority for anyone, and we really need to talk about that because— Thank you. that has been a struggle.
I'm going to go into some questions around workforce diversity because this is something I'm always asking, especially when I'm in the space with the SIGs and saying, how are we promoting diversity in leadership and not just in staff? Because so often we have a lot of people of color who are, you know, doing the day-to-day work but not at the management level, and that's really important.
So, DSD, DCLA announced an expanding workforce survey in 2022, later reporting a COVID-related delay. What is— was this completed? If so, what are the results? If not, what comparable evidence does DCLA use to assess workforce changes? Yeah, this was not completed because of the COVID delay. It's something that we have been talking about, but to be candid, given the climate from the federal government, that kind of data collection feels even harder than it did when we first did it in 2019.
Even then, data safety was a big concern, and we took a lot of precautions to have it done by a third party where we didn't get the data. And now it's like even scarier for folks to self-identify. So we're kind of thinking through like how we do that in a responsible way that keeps our cultural workforce safe.
We have data from places like Museums Moving Forward or other folks that have been doing this research on a broader, not just New York level, and what they're finding is exactly what you're saying. And what I also know anecdotally is that, yes, that pipeline from mid-career into leadership really needs attention. And it's something that we've committed to working on in our racial equity plan that was just recently released.
Can you talk about what that will look like? Because I think that I hear all of, like, yes, the federal government is watching, all those things, but that still doesn't mean that a diverse city like New York shouldn't have that reflective in their workforce. And so I know you just mentioned the racial equity plan. What have you identified that you're going to be working on to address that?
Yeah, absolutely. And I absolutely agree. It is so essential. And honestly, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for diversity programs in arts and culture. I— we have named that we will be looking into this particular kind of training for workers from that mid-level career into senior leadership and board governance. And that's something that a lot of cultural organizations do in small scale.
We're looking into, like, can we support that to grow those programs? Are there new programs that might need to be created? We know from starting the CUNY Cultural Corps and having it be permanent how incredibly impactful that's been to allow a pipeline into these jobs. So, we're looking to, like, think through what we do to that scale for that mid-level worker into those leadership And you said CUNY Corps, is that what you just said?
CUNY Cultural Corps, a paid internship program. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because I know I was talking to the Deputy Speaker and we've heard this mentioned, but we don't have a lot of information about what this program is and what it entails. And could you talk a little bit about this program? Yeah, it was started, I believe, in 2017.
It is a partnership with CUNY where CUNY places undergraduate students in paid internships at cultural organizations across the city, either 1 year or 1 semester. And to date, there's been 1,100 CUNY Cultural Corps students, and they really are— I mean, I've worked at a number of organizations. 1,100. So how many have you seen go to the executive track or leadership track?
How many from that 1,100? I don't have that data. So are you guys not tracking that? No. So, all right, so we have a program that you, you just cited as being a place where you— that can bring diversity, but you're not tracking how that diversity is being dispersed amongst the 1,100 young people that have went through the program?
Well, yes, I mean, each institution is tracking their own, um— But wouldn't you do that if this is a program you just talked about? Maybe that's something we should do, right? Yeah, we could look into it for sure. And I know anecdotally that a lot of them have been hired and, you know, are finishing university. And then go into a career in the arts, they'll have a different relationship.
But shouldn't we be at a place where it's not anecdotally and we're actually tracking? Because if you can track that there was 1,100 young people that went through this program, then, like, why are we not tracking their progress? Because isn't that the point of the program? In part, yes. Yes. And I believe that CUNY is starting to undergo a survey right now, a research study around what are the impacts of the internship program.
When was this program started? 2017. So this program has been going on since 2017. It's 2026, almost 9 years later, and we don't— we're not tracking these young people to see the impact of the work? I, I— we have anecdotal data. We have data from CUNY. We have data from cultural organizations. But the Department of Cultural Affairs has not done a comprehensive study.
Well, maybe we should, right? If this is a program we're toting and saying that this is this is helping with diversity, we should actually be tracking it and using it to do that work. Would you like me to continue? Yes. Okay. What evidence shows that diversity initiative changes permanent hiring or promotional or retention for institute practices? So do you have any evidence to show that diversity is actually happening in these institutions, like, other than anecdotal?
We have what has been submitted to us in the CIG reports that come every year and the CDF reports. So we do understand the kind of practices and new initiatives that have been put in place in organizations across the city. And we rely on their hiring surveys to tell us. How many CICs have required to submit an equity plan and how many submitted them and how many provider provided the required progress reports?
All 34. Now there's 39, but when the reports were required, there were 34 SIGs. All of them submitted— reported annually and just submitted final reports, either in writing or with meetings directly with me. Among the institutions, how many met the measurable goals due in the last reporting period, and how many missed them, and how many could How many could not have their assessments done?
They each had, you know, they created their own goals that they measured against. And I think we saw a lot of patterns again around like the pipeline in. People felt very confident that they were meeting those goals. They felt much less— I'm sorry, you just said they created their own goals? Yes, because the cultural organizations are very different organization to organization.
So you guys don't help with like having general goals to guide that, or? We did. Yeah, we put out a list. And we had many, many meetings and convenings to talk through, like, what does this look like? But if you're an organization that has 7 employees versus, I don't know, 2,000, it's different, right? And we do rely on them to be the experts of their own organizations to come up with that plan.
But we had a lot of things that were requirements around workforce development, around board development, around access to New Yorkers for their work. And they created their own goals based on that, around disability, around racial equity. So we learned a lot in the final reports. A lot of— What did you learn? We learned that board governance is still something that a lot of the organizations struggle with, and board development in terms of racial equity and equity.
That's all nonprofits across the board. But what are you guys doing specifically to help with that? Yeah, I mean, I'm 6 months in, so really looking forward to working on that pipeline once again. Like, so we're not losing those mid-career workers. We lose so many right now. And that in board governance, we're thinking about what kind of resources can we do to support organizations that are working on board development more thoroughly.
Yeah, I think that's a great place for DCLA to help. I think, again, that's a problem across all sectors where folks are not understanding that the importance of having a diverse board is important. And then when you look at boards, even when they are led by minorities, their board is typically not reflective of the folks that are doing the work.
And so I think that there's definitely work that needs to be done there. Are there any other trends that you saw from this information that they gave? I think, I mean, in a positive trend, and I was around at Cultural Affairs when we launched this initiative, and I will say it was not easy, right? It took a lot of work to convince everybody that this was like a good thing to do to get a board-adopted plan.
And these all had to be board adopted. And because of the length of time and the kind of consistency that was required of them, they now all, many of them have like board committees on DEI. There's a report out in every board meeting. There's like some of the dance companies, it takes that long to kind of build your next generation of dancers.
And now you're seeing the result of it. So I think what's been, a pattern that's been good to see is that long-term and dedicated focus actually leads to that generational change that we're only really seeing now, I would argue. What accountability measures that you guys apply to these institutions, especially because they're making their own goals, to ensure that they're not missing any of their equity goals or commitments or things like that?
Yeah, I mean, we definitely are in regular conversation with the organizations, the SIGs, For the CDF, it's part of the application process. So part of the questions that you're answering are around diversity and your commitment to it and what it looks like for you and around your board composition and what governance looks like. That's part of how you're reviewed for grant funding.
So basically, it's just more around like if you're gonna get the grant funding, like that's accountability. Like if you're not meeting these requirements, your grant could be pulled. Yeah, and it does, it comes up The action plan living wage strategy lists no actions online. Has DCLA implemented it? If so, can you identify the policy, workers covered, and the results?
Candidly, I think this is a huge area for growth for the agency and improvement on making an impact in this. It's definitely really important for us under this administration and under Deputy Mayor of Economic Justice Julie Su. This is a very important area that we'll be spending a lot more time on, and cultural workers in general and artists especially.
But you're right, there were no strategies attached to it, and I think as a result, it's the kind of lightest impact that came out of it, and it's absolutely a priority for us. What evidence shows whether cultural workers' wages, benefits, and job security have improved since 2017, and when what impact can DCLA attribute to CreateNYC? I honestly don't know that we can say that they have improved.
I think we've lived through COVID, which exposed how exactly financially precarious these organizations are, how many workers had to kind of make it through that moment. And it's a struggle, right? The cost of the affordability crisis is real, and I don't know that workers are experiencing a better time today than they were when this plan came out, truthfully.
I think that's why we've seen a lot of cultural workers unionize over the past 10 years, which is amazing. But it is absolutely an area that needs to be deeper— deeply considered. I just want to say, I don't think we should be at a point where we're still blaming Culver for stuff. Like, I think that we're past that.
And I think, like, yes, I know we've been talking about affordable city, but I think we need to move from like this is what the problem is and actually fix it. And just— we just can't keep saying we want an affordable city. We have to start to create policy that drives that. So thank you, Deputy Speaker, for the additional time.
And that's it. That's all.